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  • C90 ball lift control box

    Has anyone had problems with the Vantage control box?
    Blue in colour,part no. of p.c. board-v250 001 014.
    We have an interlock switch on our ball returns that is activated when the flap is knocked down the unit stops running.
    I can`t find a connection point on this type of conrol box that allows me to use this facility?
    Also can`t get the unit to turn on/off with the machines and so have to have it on service mode all day which means it`s running all day(not good)!
    The circuitry is good on both machines-tested it with an A.M.F. box that works fine with m/c`s turning on/off and there is also a facility to wire up the interlock switch.
    I was thinking maybe the vantage box is not compatible with our C90`s?
    Thanks guys,
    Triforce.

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    Re: C90 ball lift control box

    We use lots of the Vantage control boxes. We do not use the stop switches though. As far as having to leave them on service all the time, yep. Seems like brand new ones with no discernable problem won't work. Good luck with that.
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    • #3
      Re: C90 ball lift control box

      Triforce, I may be wrong, but I dont believe that the vantage box even has the buterfly switch curcuit. The Vantage V-LIFT (vantages interpretation of the c-90) does not have the switch at all, so I dont believe they incorporated the function in the box.

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      • #4
        Re: C90 ball lift control box

        Not having an operational saftey switch is a bit dangerous IMO.

        The switch simply sits in series with the motor power circuit, so it should be simple to add that to this Vantage box. Find where the motor hooks up to the circuit board (hopefully there's a screw terminal strip in the Vantage box). Disconnect the motor's active wire from the board, connect one switch wire to this motor wire, and the other switch wire to now-vacant terminal on the board.

        Andrew.

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        • #5
          Re: C90 ball lift control box

          I dont think those small micro switches are rated for high voltage?? (not sure, would that be afire hazard??)

          I agree that is not a good idea to eliminate the safty switch.

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          • #6
            Re: C90 ball lift control box

            If you are running on 70s, take one of the control wires that goes to the A&MC and run it through the the micro switch.
            If that lift has a built-in time delay like AMFs, it wouldn't do much good for a safety switch though. If there is no delay, would work fine. If you have Brunswick machines or 82-30s, you'll have to find a control curcuit tracer on the board to cut and run the switch through.
            The Brunswick safety switch is 2 microswitches, one for each machine (Bruns or 82-30).
            But you know guys, there are only about 5% of the centers that have the lift safety switches. I agree that if you have them, hook em up.
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            • #7
              Re: C90 ball lift control box

              Originally posted by JimDorsin:
              I dont think those small micro switches are rated for high voltage?? (not sure, would that be afire hazard??)
              <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's a good point - make sure the switches are rated for motor current (and voltage).

              Our safety switches pass motor current (but that doesn't mean all C90s are like that).

              Cheers,
              Andrew.

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              • #8
                Re: C90 ball lift control box

                Without adding additional circuitry to the unit, Ted's got probably the best way to add the safety switch back into the unit. If you want to kill the line voltage to the motor, you would probably have to employ a relay of some kind to switch the current, rather than that little microswitch.

                The older shur-pik style roller switches were plenty beefy enough to handle switching the motor directly... too bad they won't fit in the c90's safety switch mounting.
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                • #9
                  Re: C90 ball lift control box

                  Thanks all for the great ideas!
                  I`ve just priced up a replacement p.c.board for the A.M.F. unit and it was,I thought quiet resonable!So I`ll purchase one in my next order.
                  Will use the Vantage one as a spare unit and try the suggested methods of modifying it.
                  Thanks again for the great ideas,as always!
                  Triforce.

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                  • #10
                    Re: C90 ball lift control box

                    I quit bying Vantage anything . I just don't like their quality they put into there parts. I just stick with AMF they are more reliable for me especially working in a older facility .

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