OOR

[Shannon]

A few questions on those OOR

1. When a pin moves to OOR position and the machine sweeps it out, to respot, is the pin suppose to be respotted in its original position or where it ended up?

2. Any suggestions on preventing OOR from happening, i would guess right now 80% of our calls are OOR. But little ball calls. We have new AMF synthedic lanes and the Pheonix oiler. I was at center with the same equipment and ton of oil but no OOR. They had sprayed the pin decks with something prior to our bowling.

[mainframe]

Re: OOR

Shannon,

I would recommend installing the automatic OOR kit to eliminate the manual stoppage of the A/P. Nearly half of the OOR stops there isn't any Deadwood. Also, if a pin is OOR you do not place the pin back on spot.

Hope this helps,

Mike

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

Re: OOR

Shannon,
ABC requires that if a pin is knocked over by a pinchaser or a piece of equipment, it must be placed on the spot that it originally started from. Of course, that is something only the bowlers can tell you. Hopefully they know the rules.

To you second question. We have HPL also and spray our pin decks with a 50/50 solution of water and bleach. A very light mist. Go easy with it. Too much will leave white streaks on the bowling balls.

Mike...I have to disagree with your calculation on the amount of deadwood left with oor's. I have been keeping track of this item for about 10 years now and in the 99-00 season, I had 91.42% of oor's with deadwood of some type. ABC states that if a ball is thrown and either the ball or another pin strikes any deadwood, the ball counts as a zero. Of 536 out of ranges in the season of 99-00, 46 of them would not have had a problem. 490 of them would have still been calls to the back or would have been potential problems for a league. Had that happen some years back when a bowler bowled with a deadwood and covered his spare. A pin rolled into the gutter and hit the deadwood. A bowler from the other team called him on it and protested the game due to the other team winning by only 5 pins. It caused such an uproar in the league because the rules had to be followed and the game was forfeited. The next thing I hear is how lousy the machines are because they don't work right. The kits were removed the next day and I have never used that kit again. I would rather have an occasional oor that has to be caught than have my bowlers arguing about wether a deadwood was there or not. Our job is to prevent problems before they become problems. And if that means preventing an argument among the bowlers, then we should do everything we can to do that. But then again...

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Just my two cents worth...

Steve

[This message has been edited by JBEES (edited 01-07-2001).]

[Guest]

Re: OOR

"ABC states that if a ball is thrown and either the ball or another pin strikes any deadwood, the ball counts as a zero."

didnt know that...and I have read somewhere that if you do have deadwood either on the deck or in the gutter after an OOR...it has to be removed so that the next ball will count...correct me if Im wrong

Jordan

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

Re: OOR

Jordan,
You do no have to remove it, but if a pin or a ball strikes it, (or them), you will receive a zero. So it is in the bowlers best interest to have it removed.

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Just my two cents worth...

Steve

[Dutch]

Re: OOR

Mike & Steve,
What are the OOR kits? Is that for a Brunswick machine? We’re discussing automatic sweep reverse during an offspot cycle in the AMF pinspotter forum. Similar?
Dutch

[KL Kevin]

Re: OOR

Dutch:

The OOR kit basically disconnects the oor stop mechanism for the clutch, holds the deck hook down so that the deck doesn't perform the respot stroke, and locks out the rake sweep. The Machine basically performs a standing pins cycle on oor, without the rake sweep and respot stroke.

Personally, I like them. Most OOR calls don't have deadwood, and my league bowlers know the rules well enough to tell the desk to have deadwood cleared before they throw the second ball, if it's there. And OOR calls during open play ... well, that's just a nuisance ... that the kit gets rid of

Kevin

[Dutch]

Re: OOR

Thanks, Kevin. Too bad they don't make something like that for the AMF's... yet.
Dutch

[Coors]

Re: OOR

Quote:]<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dutch:
Thanks, Kevin. Too bad they don't make something like that for the AMF's... yet.
Dutch</font>[/QUOTE]

They do but you...We have to get new chassis to get it!!!....like i said im waiting on omega-tek to help us SS guys

[David Johnson]

Re: OOR

The GSX machines are programmed to sweep oor and give you a do over when the scorers are in open play mode

[kryley]

Re: OOR

Quote:]<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shannon:
When a pin moves to OOR position and the machine sweeps it out, to respot, is the pin suppose to be respotted in its original position or where it ended up?</font>[/QUOTE]

I might be wrong here, but I think what Shannon was trying to say/ask is this:

Say the 2-pin is moved 1 inch north-west (heh heh, i'm pulling figures out of the sky here!!) of it's original spot, and something happens with the machine and it sweeps all standing pins away and spots a full set. The bowler now goes and asks the front desk to get the pins respotted. Does the 2-pin have to be respotted 1 inch north-west of it's correct spot or can it be respotted on the spot??

I myself have been in this situation a few times (I have seen where the pin was before it was swept away though) and it would be interesting to find out what the rules actually are.

Have fun!!

[GPS]

Re: OOR

ABC rule states if the machine knocks over an out of range pin the pin Must ba spotted on the original pin spot. That means if the 2 pin slides off spot and machine knocks it over it must be respotted on the 2 pin spot. Pretty clear.

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

Re: OOR

It's pretty black and white...the pin must be spotted on the original spot it came from if knocked over by equipment or a pinchaser.

Steve

[kryley]

Re: OOR

Sorry about that guys, I didn't read JBEES post properly - it was too late at night (or too early in the morning as the case may be!!) when I was reading it.

Sorry again!!

Have fun!!