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    I am looking into purchasing some rubberized cork matterial with an adhesive backing from a local custom gasket company...the first sample they sent me did not work out because the adhesive was not strong enough....They have now provided me with a sample with a 3M adhesive backing. It says 3M and the product number in green writting. I am currently testing this out to see how this one lasts. In case this one does not hold up either, I am curious as to the types of adhesives that are used in other kickers with success. I have tried a cork kicker with an Avery Dennison Laminating Adhesive, and this is one possibility. Im looking for other possibilities that I can suggest. So what I am asking is if there is a label on the adhesive on some of the kickers out there, and what these labels say (ones that stick to the wheel really well).
    Nick

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    Nick - this is possibly the best stuff on the market for gluing carpets to pit boards and kickers to ball wheels.

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    • #3
      Tom, No doubt contact cement will work very well to glue down kickers. Dap Weldwood is not common in my neck of the woods. I have never seen it. But I do use a glue called Barge Cement which is pretty much the strongest contact cement Ive come across. Its sold in the shoe repair industry, and the only place I could find it locally is from a shoe repair supply company who will not sell it to the general public.

      Now, i have used kickers with an Avery Dennison adhesive backing on them that adheres just as good as contact cement...Ive never had one of those kickers fall off. Usually after many months when the kicker is worn away, the adhesive is still left behind. I have taken into account what the cost of the rubber/cork gasket material with contact cement would cost versus buying the one with the adhesive backing, and the difference in not enough to make me want to put in the extra time, effort, and mess involved in gluing the things down....actually if you factor in the cost of time that it takes to glue them down, then the difference in cost between the two is so minute that it makes sense to go with the kicker with adhesive backing because it is so much easier.
      Nick

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      • #4
        Nick, Barge Cement is also an excellent choice; but, I haven't seen it in California in a long time. (Prop 65 possibility. That's the one that bans carcinogens.)

        If you've had success with the Avery adhesive, stay with it. Use a little alcohol to clean the ball wheel, and stick on your kickers. BTW, make sure any alcohol residue is removed before applying the kickers.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SoCalTom View Post
          Nick, Barge Cement is also an excellent choice; but, I haven't seen it in California in a long time. (Prop 65 possibility. That's the one that bans carcinogens.)

          If you've had success with the Avery adhesive, stay with it. Use a little alcohol to clean the ball wheel, and stick on your kickers. BTW, make sure any alcohol residue is removed before applying the kickers.
          Hopefully this particular 3M adhesive used in the sample works just as well as the Avery adhesive. It would be to my advantage if it does because, this is one of the adhesives that the company stocks. They do not stock the Avery adhesive, but they can get it...but that would increase the cost of the product and there would probably also be a higher minimum quantity on the order. I guess the point to this thread is to find out other possible options of successful adhesive backings used in kickers so that I have other possible suggestions, and hopefully they would have one of these possible adhesive backings in stock which would keep the cost of the material down.
          Nick

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SoCalTom View Post
            Nick - this is possibly the best stuff on the market for gluing carpets to pit boards and kickers to ball wheels.

            THIS may not be available in your area simple because it not for sale to none commercial applications
            But if you really would try check with your [ custom cabinets shop ] thy may part with a little for you to try

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            • #7
              Originally posted by wepauls View Post
              THIS may not be available in your area simple because it not for sale to none commercial applications
              But if you really would try check with your [ custom cabinets shop ] thy may part with a little for you to try
              In WI I can get it at Fleetfarm or Menards.( use it to glue strip in the ball hole on amf's ) just like you guys, helping balls combating oil.

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              • #8
                Down here we use Kwik Grip.

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                Factory & Converted A-2 (US, Ger, Jap)
                Comscore ECT, Matrix & DuoHD
                Walker B, Sanction Standard, Original K, Flex Walker & Ikon
                Kegel C.A.T.S

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                • #9
                  We use rubber step treads (with 3m adhesive backer) can be found at Wal-Mart in the RV section. They are about 12"x6" diamond tread pattern and come in a two pack for about 4.97. Cut em into 1 1/2 in. strips, degrease ball wheel and stick em on. Has to be the kind with 3m adhesive or they don't stay on the ball wheel. Upside is that the rubber is very durable and has excellent grip. Can put 4 strips (1 foot long ea.) on a ball wheel for about $2.50
                  If it's broke it will work great.... until you stop watching it.

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                  • #10
                    The best stuff I have found other than contact cement is Rhino Grip indoor outdoor carpet tape it a Roberts consolidated industries product. If wheels are properly cleaned before adhesion it will last the life of the kicker. It comes in a 1-7/8in x 75ft long roll so you do have to trim an edge but I love the stuff.
                    Do it right and you wont do it twice!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wepauls View Post
                      THIS may not be available in your area simple because it not for sale to none commercial applications
                      But if you really would try check with your [ custom cabinets shop ] thy may part with a little for you to try
                      Bill, I've found Weldwood Dap at Home Depot, Lowes and Ace Hardware stores. It's less than $15 a gallon.

                      One word of caution. Many contact cements contain elements that can be hazardous to your health; which is the reason many states have banned certain brands. The one suggestion that I have is to use any contact cement in a well ventilated area. Breathing the fumes can cause health problems. I've always glued carpets to pit boards outdoors. Using it indoors, I've used a small "personal" fan. Depending on the fan, they run on either wall power or batteries. It's just an added measure of safety.

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                      • #12
                        Tom
                        It may be availably in the us but may not be to our bothers in canada because of thar laws

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wepauls View Post
                          Tom
                          It may be availably in the us but may not be to our bothers in canada because of thar laws
                          Good point, Bill. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with Canadian laws; or the laws of other countries, for that matter.

                          There is another hitch in laws and regulations. Many manufacturers make slightly different formulations of a product for sale in the states that have more strict regulations of certain chemicals. In other words, the formulation for Weldwood Dap sold in California is slightly different than the same product sold in Nevada, due to the chemicals used in the product. (In one instance, I was on a trip to Las Vegas to bowl in a tournament. On my return and before leaving Nevada, I purchased several cases of contact cement that was not available in California, then passed the cement on to the head mechanics that asked for it when I arrived home. My only worry was getting through the California check-point. I was waived through and never stopped.)

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                          • #14
                            Im wanting to not have to glue them down with contact cement, and would rather have the kickers manufactured with a good quality self adhesive backing on them.

                            The kicker sample I am trying out now has A 3M adhesive backing on it with green writing that says:

                            3M 467MP
                            200MP Adhesive

                            I will see how this one works. If it works fine I will stick with it. If not I have tryed an Avery Dennison adesive in red lettering that says:

                            Avery Dennison
                            Laminating Adhesive


                            Mudman1 has stated thet he uses a floor tread material with a 3M adhesive that stick well to the ball wheel. Does this adhesive backing say anything else besides 3M or any other details such as color of the writing that may help me identify it?

                            Any other label information on kickers you guys use that have a self adhesive backing would be appreciated (moreso than contact cement brands, because I don't want to glue them down)
                            Nick

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                            • #15
                              lol $15.00 a gallon that would be nice. last i bought contact cement here i paid about $50.00 for 3.8L stuff is real expensive here in Canada finding a better solution for kickers would definitely be a bonus.
                              Nick we have been testing the quality Ball Wheel Kicker #58-4135 this season they do seem to be holding up well, just make sure wheel is clean first
                              Mama said bowlers are ornery because they got all them balls and conditions are never good enough

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