Stuck on second ball after deck jam

[Knowledge_is_key]

Every time there is a deck jam (couple pins in 5 cup) the machine stays on second ball. We have to move the 1st 2nd ball lever on detector and push it farther back against the micro switc to get it to go to first ball again. Any suggestions on why it happens after the deck jam?

[Mechanick]

If the staff are pulling up on the deck hook to make the hook clear the deck post as they lower the deck, they may be pulling up on the hook too hard which may cause the 1st/2nd ball lever to move out of adjustment

[Knowledge_is_key]

Hmm good point. Not could a bad spring in the link to the deck hook also cause this issue as well?

[Kanga (James)]

I've had a couple of heavy handed guys do that to me on several occasions when doing service work. The first indicator for us is scoring problems.

[Mechanick]

Hmm good point. Not could a bad spring in the link to the deck hook also cause this issue as well?

Most of the time that the lever needed to be adjusted for me was because of this reason. Somebody pulling up too hard on the deck hook. I instruct staff to put the machine into first ball by pressing back of the lever as opposed to lifting the hook, becsue it reduces this from happening.

Another thing to keep an eye on is if you are seeing a lot of movement in the detector as the 1:1 turns. Could be that the screws that mount the detector to the 1:1 plate are loose.... or the 3 screws that mount the 1:1 plate to the 1:1 gearbox cover are loose....or the screws that mount the 1:1 gearbox cover to the gearbox housing are loose. Any of these being loose will cause the detector to move around too much and might affect the distance of the lever to the cherry switch (I thing the most common to come loose are the 3 counetrsunk cap screws that mount the 1:1 steel plate to the 1:1 aluminum gearbox cover).

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

Still not enough movement to change the 1st 2nd ball light adjustment. It would have to move quite a bit to put that much pressure on the selector. Good thought though...

Bottom line, it is from someone lifting the deck holding hook while clearing deck jams (or trying to put the detector back on 1st ball) as you mentioned is when this occurs...after the 5 double loads. Teach them to lift the deck holding hook just enough to clear the deck post and no higher.

[Knowledge_is_key]

I recently had to change out the selector cause the bearing fell apart

[amechwannabe]

I always train a guy to lift until you hear the click... any higher and you go get the 7/16" wrenches to adjust it... After they adjust it a couple of times, they get the idea...

[Mechanick]

Still not enough movement to change the 1st 2nd ball light adjustment. It would have to move quite a bit to put that much pressure on the selector. Good thought though...

Not too long ago this happened to me where the 3 bolts that mount the steel plate on the 1:1 cover loosened up. This caused movement in the 1:1 as the pinsetter was cycling which was causing the 2nd ball light to come in and out during the 1st ball cycle. My first thought was to adjust the lever because maybe it was boarderline out of adjustment....but it was because the detector had so much movement that the shaft was moving back and forth during the cycle and causing this problem.

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

I see what you are saying...not that the adjustment itself would change but the position of the selector would change making it look like the adjustment itself had changed. Gotcha.

[Mechanick]

I see what you are saying...not that the adjustment itself would change but the position of the selector would change making it look like the adjustment itself had changed. Gotcha.

Exactly....but I am still leaning towards it being caused by a herculese pulling on the hook. If is just another possibility to look out for.