pinsetter not cycling

[spencerbowl]

One of my pinsetters will not cycle when a the ball trigger beam is broken. I changed from a cycle relay to a solid state time delay module and still the same problem. I can here the bowl-tronics box clic each time the beam is broken, but the machine now cycles once in awhile. where should I look.

[obdll]

check your blockout switch and make sure all wireing is conected properly and no lose conections can you cycle machine with all reset buttons and by rake drop

[spencerbowl]

check your blockout switch and make sure all wireing is conected properly and no lose conections can you cycle machine with all reset buttons and by rake drop

I can cycle machine from all resets and rake drop. may be a stupid ? but what is a block out switch. all the wiring looks good can't find a wiring diagram for a solid state TDM, I had another machine with one so I wired it the same. I also switched circit boards on the bowl-tronics box, still the same thing.

[drhookmec]

I'm unfamiliar with bowltronics triggering but could it be a bad ball detector?

[RipOwens]

A block out switch is used when the sensors are mounted behind the rake so triggering will not occur as the rake passes the sensors. basicly a rake up/down switch most common uses a mercury switch. Also most aftermarket triggering ties into the front reset wires inside the electrical box just past the 2 prong cannon plug and some use a connector to splice them together that sometimes doesnt make good contact. I dont have any experience with the bowltronics however.

[cuda96]

The problem may be that you have both the bowltronics AND time delay.
The bowltronics unit really is meant to be used if you have only a cycle relay as the bowltronics has a time delay built into the system. If the two are not time correctly you will get the problem you are describing.
Used to have that set up here. It was always an adventure if you had to replace one part or another to get them timed correctly.

[spencerbowl]

Cuda96 I had a time delay with a relay in it. would it be the relay.

[cuda96]

It would be a matter of adjusting the time delay and the bowltronics units to fire at the same time.
If the bowltronics fires to cycle the machine, but the time delay module isn't closed at the same time the machine will not cycle.

I would have to think about it, as it has been 5-6 years since I dealt with them, but there should be a way to wire the bowltronics to fire the relay in the time delay module to eliminate the problem of timing.

[SoCalTom]

....., but there should be a way to wire the bowltronics to fire the relay in the time delay module to eliminate the problem of timing.

It has been some time for me also; however, the Brunswick TDM has a first ball and second ball terminal. The first ball connection timed the module to fire the solenoid after a preset delay; and the second ball connection fired the solenoid with no delay. I would think that removing the first ball wire from the terminal and jumpered the second ball wire to the first ball terminal would get you the results you're after.

Better yet would be to remove the TDM and use the ball detector to operate a cube relay; which would, then, fire the solenoid. I believe that Steve Stafford has the wiring diagram and instructions how to do this.

[spencerbowl]

thanks for the help, I feel kind of stuped I ran new wire from the ttrigger box to the time delay, no change. changed back to old time delay, no change. checked the wires to the cycle solenoid,rewired just to make sure, no change. got mad and started tapping on the relay in the trigger box and its working now. probly better order a new relay.

[obdll]

my block out switch is a micro switch mounted on the gearbox housing 4-1 with switch under triger linkage