Moving deck issue

[dustin]

Lane 5

I have a issue where it looks like for some reason the geneva rollers are lined up into the slots properly. I read from other threads to put machine into 270 spotting new pins, remove the plates and reinstall. My question is if I remove both plates at the same time do I have to re-wind the spring or do I do one plate at a time. Thanks

[Mechanick]

As long as the deck cables and deck control cable are all on their respective pullies, you will not have to wind the spring up if you take both plates off....but what exactly is your problem with lane 5. Im not understanding what the issue is here.

"I have a issue where it looks like for some reason the geneva rollers are lined up into the slots properly."

Is your deck shifting at zero degrees when its not supposed to? If so, your deck cable might be too short and you need to increase the length a bit.

[Kanga (James)]

As long as the lower cable is still attached then the geneva rollers won't move. Why do you want to remove the plates?

If both geneva rollers aren't in the same position as each other then one may be moving on the shaft.

[dustin]

The lower deck cable was off the lower pulley and jammed up. I got it unjammed and back on the pulleys and run back up to zero. I started the cycle and the deck when down and blackout right away. The geveva rollers were jammed up against the geneva plate causing the black out. The cable was tight as hell. I loosed the cable and got it free but now it seems like the geneva rollers are not lined up properly....

[Kanga (James)]

The rollers aren't in the same position relative to each other?

[dustin]

They are relative to each other they just dont seem to want to go into the proper slot

[PJ]

Is your your control cable on the right way?

[MASTERMIKE]

at 270 you want both slots in cams over a geneva bearing...

You will have a gebeva bearing in every slot in other words...

Are you saying you cant get them to line up ? If so maybe your moving deck is warped bad or cracked...

Mike

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

Remove both plates at 270 degrees spotting new pins. Place the moving deck so when you place the plates back onto the moving deck, the rollers are in the slots. This should solve the issue.


A comment about this quote...

Is your deck shifting at zero degrees when its not supposed to? If so, your deck cable might be too short and you need to increase the length a bit.

I think Mechanick may be a bit confusing here...if the moving deck moves when the pinsetter cycles from 0 degrees, it will not be the length of the cable doing this. The cable moves because the moving deck cam follower is not yet on the high dwell of the moving deck scissor cam when the gear box clutch disengaged. When it engages again, the cam follower finishes its travel to the high dwell of the cam. The length of the cable will not alter this fact. To get it to not move when the gear box cycles, you need to have the clutch disengage later. Sometimes this means running the 4:1 a bit higher than you are used to...but this will get the cam follower onto the high dwell. This will stop the movement of the moving deck when the machines starts its cycle.

I hope that helps...

[Popeye]

Is your deck shifting at zero degrees when its not supposed to? If so, your deck cable might be too short and you need to increase the length a bit.

I think what Mechanick was saying here was if your cable is adjusted too short your geneva rollers will both be completely out of the slots and the deck will move on its own. If in this position the deck cable shifts it could blackout the machine. Could be the problem. A normal adjusted machine at 0 deg. if you pull on the deck cable you can get the rollers out of the slots. If that is the situation then taking off the plates (ONLY IF THE CABLES ARE ON PROPERLY) might be the solution.

[Mechanick]

[QUOTE=Popeye;464140] I think what Mechanick was saying here was if your cable is adjusted too short your geneva rollers will both be completely out of the slots and the deck will move on its own. If in this position the deck cable shifts it could blackout the machine. [QUOTE]

^ Yes Popeye, this is what I was refering to, as oposed to steve's interpretation of the shift in the deck being caused by the gearbox clutch disengaging too soon (I can see how it could have been interpreted that way- I should have specified a backward shift). If the cables is too tight, the moving deck will shift rearward at zero degrees. This does not actually seem to be the problem after reading dustin's latter replies, it was just a guess because the original post didn't have much info.

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

Ahhh...I see what you were trying to say. I was confused...which is about normal.