Scoring

[Taylor]

The conversion for A2 Brunswick pinsetters time delay module is a cube that has a 8 prong base. it has 2 second delay already in it when the ball passes but I have Amf accuscore copy right 1994 and in the bowler terminal it has to be set for 2 seconds for time delay is there a way to just have the scoring system make the delay it's self instead of the machine to save time and convince.

[mikeb]

This mat be a post that is better suited for the scoring system discussion. Their is a way to eliminate the time delay module. As far as the possibility for your center more information is required. What type of electronic triggering system do you have (if any) ?
I worked at a center some years back that had A-2 with Accuscore Plus. The time delay modules had been removed by the installers, and two relays had been installed in there place. one was a clear 8-pin relay, and the other a yellow 8-pin relay with an adjustable time delay trim-pot on top.
We upgraded that to Qubica scoring and tossed the yellow relay, because Qubica has a delay time programmed into the system. all we needed was a relay to close to power the cycle solenoid. I don't know if the same thing can be done in your situation. I think it would depend if you have any type of electronic triggering system in place when you have accuscore.

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

Brunswick is selling something to eliminate the time delay module?

[mikeb]

Steve, I don't think brunswick is selling anything to eliminate the TDM. They are, however, selling a relay to eliminate the older style motor start relay. I think we have too many unanswered questions still. Their is indeed a way to rewire the circuit box to eliminate the TDM. Something has to replace it though. with Qubica scoring the ball trigger reflectors calculate ball speed, and cycle delay. All that is needed is any relay with a 24v. coil to close a set of contacts to complete the circuit for the cycle solenoid. With BOSS/XL scoring the ball trigger interfaces with the MIU. The ball trigger unit has a set of 4 switches in it that can regulate the cycle delay. From the MIU to the circuit box are a pair of wires labeled cycle. This circuit powers the coil of the TDM in the circuit box. (I think it's terminals #13 &#14 on the TDM)
With Accuscore it's a little different. I don't believe Accuscore came with any type of electronic triggering package as standard equipment. One place I was at had Bowl-Tronics triggering with Accuscore Plus scoring. At some point in time the Brunswick TDM's were removed, and the machines were rewired, either by the Accuscore install tech's, or whomever installed the Bowl-Tronics. The bottom line is that there needs to be some type of delay on 1st ball, of approx. 3 seconds. Something has to start this sequence. If there is no TDM then what is in it's place? Some type of electronic triggering system would certainly give you the start sequence, and probably the 1st ball delay too. In the absence of electronic triggering some other type of delay circuit would be needed. It would most likely be connected to the rake trigger switch as well. But by the time the system is designed, installed, and wired it would just be easier to keep the TDM's. Jeez, I'm just rambling on and on here! Long story short is this: TDM can be removed, but something has to take it's place. We just don't know what that something is yet in this situation.

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

The conversion for A2 Brunswick pinsetters time delay module is a cube that has a 8 prong base. it has 2 second delay already in it when the ball passes but I have Amf accuscore copy right 1994 and in the bowler terminal it has to be set for 2 seconds for time delay is there a way to just have the scoring system make the delay it's self instead of the machine to save time and convince.

To answer your question...no. Accuscore has no way of doing this as Accuscore has no input to sense the ball being delivered. You need to stay with the relay that you have. I originally read into this that the conversion was coming from Brunswick...sorry for the confusion.

Mike...the system you describe with the two relays...I have seen something similar. In place of the TDM, they used a relay with an adjustable delay built into it. It is a knob on the top. It was installed on either A's or A-2's but would provide the delay on first and second ball. I worked on a setup in Missouri or somewhere...don't remember anymore...but I installed a set of relays that would get rid of the delay on second ball. Not hard to do...one relay was activated by the 2nd ball light and fired the second relay instead of the delay relay. The adjustable relay was mounted on top of the electrical box...does that sound familiar to anybody?

[mikeb]

Steve I know that we both like to take pictures! I have some of the relay setup for Accuscore plus, and what we rewired into the circuit box for the Qubica conversion. I will post them shortly, as I have to locate them.

[mikeb]

Circuit box with Accu-Score Plus.


Circuit box with Qubica scoring.