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Hey guys I have an issue that has me scratching my head. I have a machine that won't wait for pins ONLY if you put into 2nd ball and cycle with empty deck. The machine will set a ghost deck. The machine waits for pins fine if it detects strike cycle. I can have empty deck and cycle it till my face is blue and and there are no pins on the pindeck, it will wait everytime.
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B Mechanic Freeway Lanes of Parma
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Does it work fine on 2nd ball if you do not switch it to 2nd ball...in other words...it goes through a first ball standing pins cycle and then goes through its 2nd ball cycle?TSM & TSM Training Development
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Yes Steve. The only time it doesn't wait for pins is when you say lock pingate, have empty deck, then put machine to 2nd ball and cycle.B Mechanic Freeway Lanes of Parma
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Havent had issues during normal operation, just noticed it tonite and thought it was odd.B Mechanic Freeway Lanes of Parma
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Switch to 2nd ball...cycle machine to 180 degrees and stop. Look at the 180 degree interlock link. Is there a gap under the pin of the clutch release lever and the bottom of the slot in the 180 degree interlock link? Or is the interlock link still all the way up...holding the clutch release lever up?TSM & TSM Training Development
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Crap, they are bowling on it... From memory I think there was a gap. Now I will have to look later.. Whats weird is if i push 180 link towards rear ever so slightly after cycling from ball 2 it will fall out and wait for pins. Almost like a bind somewhere. On the clutch lever it has a white plastic roller. We are in the process of converting them all over to the arm with the large roller. If that makes sense??B Mechanic Freeway Lanes of Parma
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Sounds like the actuator links are not moving far enough forward. There are several reasons this could happen. First, check that the cycle solenoid is not too low. Wait until 95 degrees strike detection (either 1st ball strike or second ball...makes no difference) and stop. Pull back on the starter bellcrank and see if the bellcrank moves. If it doesn't...the plunger is bottoming out int he solenoid. Raise the solenoid.
Other reason could be detector timing...if the detector is behind a tooth, the scissor cam follower will start to lower before the strike cam follower can fall completely into the low dwell of the cam. The scissor cam follower will then strike the moving deck-scissor latch stopping it from moving...which in turns stops the D shaft of the detector. This is why the strikd cam follower will never reach the bottom of the low dwell.
Next reason can be that the x-washer pins in the front/back (or both) of the pin detector link are worn and not allowing the proper movement of the actuator links.
Let us know what you find...TSM & TSM Training Development
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Ok we have the cycle solenoid that is mounted to the detector not new style. This just started happening (that I noticed tonight). There hasn't been detector work done on this machine in a long time. I will look at what you are telling me to and try to report back.B Mechanic Freeway Lanes of Parma
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OK...skip the cycle solenoid scenario.
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Will check what you have suggested and report back!B Mechanic Freeway Lanes of Parma
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Actually Steve, reading back through this. If I cycle it through 1st ball, then cycle it through 2nd ball normally, and if it has EMPTY deck it will NOT wait for pins to set back to ball 1.B Mechanic Freeway Lanes of Parma
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Ok now its working from time to time. I am going to go thru the pin and spacers on the 180 link and see if there is something binding. I really think there is a bind in there somewhere. I might as well convert the clutch lever to the newer style with the big roller at the same time. Put the thing into 2nd ball and cycled 10 times in a row and of the 10 times it waited 7 times. Yes at 180 waiting there was a gap in the 180 lever.B Mechanic Freeway Lanes of Parma
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Did you check the detector timing?TSM & TSM Training Development
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No, but adding some oil to the pin on the 180 lever seems to have worked as now it runs the way it should. Think it may just need new spacer and X pin.B Mechanic Freeway Lanes of Parma
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If the pin is dragging against the actuator links...something is wrong. Oil might fix it for now...but it will be back. You might want to pursue this further when you have a free moment. When you do...let us know what you end up finding.TSM & TSM Training Development
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