Electric blackout issue?

[little apple lanes]

hey everyone, i have a lane that will blackout every twenty-thirty minutes then work for a couple hrs before acting up again. it will blackout while machine is cycling, going down to 270 or with the rake in mid sweep motion on first ball sometimes. there are no jams in deck, turret, elevator. to turn machine back on i flip the breaker on the pinsetter elec box once usually comes back on. sometimes takes a couple tries but i dont have to touch anything else on the pinsetter to bring it back to life. any help with this issue would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

[Phil_B]

Check your turret jam switch. They can be touchy at times, and will cause this issue.

[little apple lanes]

checked that. it has good travel in and out and does not stick. also it will blackout after just completing a cycle (very random when it stops but when it does its always a flick of a switch and its back on). if i flip the control switch on back of pinsetter off/on it will start up again.

[drhookmec]

Do you have Brunswick electronic triggering?
Brunswick triggering uses a rake down micro switch as well as the rake trip switch in the ELEX box
if the 2 get out of sync it will LO the machine.

Also if you have Brunswick triggering and the switches look good
the problem could be in the TDM itself.


EDIT:

if i flip the control switch on back of pinsetter off/on it will start up again.

Now this points more to a bad switch or loose wire possible at the rear switch.

[little apple lanes]

yes i have bruns triggering and vector scoring..if that matters at all. ok i will check for loose wires again on back power switch. i suppose if the rear switch wire was bad somewhere it would shut the lane down whenever it gets shorted, maybe why my blackouts all happen at different points in the cycle?

[drhookmec]

yes i have bruns triggering and vector scoring..if that matters at all. ok i will check for loose wires again on back power switch. i suppose if the rear switch wire was bad somewhere it would shut the lane down whenever it gets shorted, maybe why my blackouts all happen at different points in the cycle?

Also remember the switch itself could be bad and opening when ever it wants to.

If you can the next time it blacks out don't do nothing and take some voltage readings

TS2 6-9
TS2 5-9 [rear switch]
TS2 3-9 [turret jam switch]
TS2 2-9 [deck jam switch]

This can give you some idea of where your problem is.

Post back what you find.

[little apple lanes]

alright i double checked the switches in rear and they have newer wires and when i shake them and the wires the lane never cuts out. also i noticed some times when i switch on the lane it doesnt always start right away..no lights/masking lights anything.. thing couple seconds later will kick on or have to flick switch couple times if nothing comes on still. would the tdm cause this? or the motor start relay?

[little apple lanes]

Drhookmec: i will do that next time it blacksout. thank you very much

[little apple lanes]

TS2 6-9
TS2 5-9 [rear switch]
TS2 3-9 [turret jam switch]
TS2 2-9 [deck jam switch]

does 6-9 mean bottom of 6 to bottom of 9? or top/bottom? thanks
lane is in blackout just dont know exactly which to read. sorry!

[drhookmec]

Drhookmec: i will do that next time it blacksout. thank you very much

Also check the voltage at the MSR coil, IF it's getting 24 volts and not closing that could be your problem.

[drhookmec]

TS2 6-9
TS2 5-9 [rear switch]
TS2 3-9 [turret jam switch]
TS2 2-9 [deck jam switch]

does 6-9 mean bottom of 6 to bottom of 9? or top/bottom? thanks
lane is in blackout just dont know exactly which to read. sorry!

Does not matter as top and bottom are connected.

[little apple lanes]

oh ya duh! ok soon as i can get it to blackout again i will get those readings. my MSR is opening and closing fine it looks like but i will check the readings on that too when it BO. thanks again

[nafkwah32]

Check for a loose wire on your power cord or receptacle or even the main breaker . Also I would check the motor start relay and/or contactor.

[little apple lanes]

TS2 6-9
TS2 5-9 [rear switch]
TS2 3-9 [turret jam switch]
TS2 2-9 [deck jam switch]

This can give you some idea of where your problem is.

Post back what you find.

problem solved. it ended up being a loose wire on the msr. just loose enough to short out if it was shaken just right. The readings from ts2 were 27 across the four you suggested is that normal? just added some soder to the wire and its been working without blinking or BO. Thanks alot.

[drhookmec]

problem solved. it ended up being a loose wire on the msr. just loose enough to short out if it was shaken just right. The readings from ts2 were 27 across the four you suggested is that normal? just added some soder to the wire and its been working without blinking or BO. Thanks alot.

Perfectly normal..

Glad you got it bud.

Nice work

Tim