turret release causes gb to engage at 0 with pins on ground and no ball thrown

[little apple lanes]

Hello everyone. I have a lane that just started to cycle whenever the turret will release pins to deck. Even though no balls where thrown or reset. Not every time it gets a full deck will it do this but at least every 3 out of 5 full decks
I'm lost on why this is . Any advise would be great. Thanks.

[Phil_B]

Sounds like the 180 interlock link is pushing up too up a little too hard after the 5 pin enters the turret and finishes indexing forcing the clutch latch to slip off the shelf.

[little apple lanes]

I have been messing with that for a while. 180 link is able to be pushed down a little when no pins in deck but once the long link kicks on full deck signal it won't budge down at all. Super stiff. Other lanes 180 links has some downward give w full deck. Still missing the 180 link adj then?

[Pinsetterbetter]

180 link adjustment is too high

[little apple lanes]

ok finally got it lowered 1/8 inch at a time ran it through 10 frames no problems yet. we will see what tomorrow brings. thanks alot,

[Ritzmech]

To set it correctly: Cycle pinsetter to 180 and shut off (un-plug power). Loosen bolt on clamping bracket, and allow the shaft to rotate so that the 180 is too low. Place long-link in rear, full deck position (interlock shaft should still be rotated so that the 180 rod is still too low to engage G.B. clutch. Now, slowly rotate the shaft, raising the 180 link, (I use a pair of vice-grips on the end to turn the shaft) until the G.B. clutch just engages. Tighten the clamping bolt, and you should be good to go. As a check, with the pinsetter at 0, push down on the 180 link, with a full deck signal from the long-link. The spring in the link should have some "give" before it bottoms out.

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

Good adjustment but I would add just a slight variation... Now, slowly rotate the shaft, raising the 180 link, (I use a pair of vice-grips on the end to turn the shaft) until the G.B. clutch just engages then rotate shaft so the clutch release lever moves 1/16th inch farther.

This extra movement will insure the stop arm is kicked out by the clutch release lever.

[little apple lanes]

ok ive been adjusting it how ritzmech and steve said, ive adjusted the link so it just barely trips the gb and also just slightly past that point. both adj seem to work just fine but every 8-12 frames it will still release the gb clutch when turret releases to deck, it has some give when at 0deg and full deck signal. usually only once but will happen couple times all night. what else could cause this to happen? other than the random cycle every now and then the 180 link operates as it should and has no binds in motion and doesnt seem to be putting any extra pressure on linkages when it does mess up.

[Kanga (James)]

Is the front of the long link rubbing against the indexing cam? Is the rubber bumper on the long link intact?

[little apple lanes]

yes the long link has its rubber and so does the blocking finger ubove it. Rhand i believe. not hitting the index cam in front but does touch slightly on the bottom of turret clutch pulley... maybe that could send 180 link enough pressure to cause gb tripping. ill try a new long link anyway and see if it sits the same way or not, thank you kanga

[little apple lanes]

did see that my roller was under the longlink in front so i moved the roller ubove the LL and now it has clearance everywhere.

[little apple lanes]

still getting random cycle when turret releases it will only happen once in a while, replaced the long link and spring in tube, short connection in release lever thinking maybe it was sliding off the shelf..no change. the 180 link is in the lowest possible position to still engage the gb but not put any extra pressure on linkages.

[Kanga (James)]

Is there any movement by the clutch release lever at 0 when the turret releases pins into the deck and indexes?

What gap do you have between the GB stop arm and release lever at 0?

[little apple lanes]

the gap is same as other lanes not too close to release lever at all, there is no movement that i can see when the pins release. i have changed the spring to a slightly stronger one to keep levers forward just to see if anything may have been just sliding off or maybe stop arm had some kind of extra movement but no luck

[drhookmec]

Does the clutch latch slip off the pin on the reset lever when this happens?

To check the condition of your clutch latch lightly tap on the side of the actuater link with you finger or the handle of a screw driver at 0deg and see of you can get the latch to slip off the pin on the reset lever.

If it slips off or moves at all the latch is most likely worn and should be replaced.

Also make sure this machine has the proper latch installed for the style of bearing that is on the end of the reset lever.
I've seen a lot of cycling problems such as this only to find out someone at one time had put
on the wrong clutch latch.





If this machine has a newer style reset lever then it should have the shorter latch
That measures 2 3/4" from the x-washer pin hole to the shelf.