turret time delay

Howdy boys! After the 5 pin drops through the center chute the delay doesnt always work.,the gear wont rotate.The trip arm is ok,belts and tension good but every so often you have to trip the index trip lever by hand (and maybe a few times to get it going)then the delay gear wakes up and runs fine for 3 days to a week.Its an otis style (green machine)if that helps but all else is ok be it facings etc.Sometimes the guys way over tighten the long turret belt and then it just doesnt work so i have to put it back to its running adjustment.so you brainy acts(lol)whats up wth it?Hmmm?go ahead tell me...lol.Show me what ya got.(lmao..been a long day)

[billman]

Re: turret time delay

Check your indexing bellcrank. The bushings might be worn out or the mounting hole in the turret frame may be egg-shaped. Both of these will cause the roller on the bellcrank to drag on the bottom of the time delay gear. Also check to be sure spoons are opening without binding on something. I have also seen worn torsion latches and blocks on the bottom of the gear cause weird things during 5-pin indexing. Hope this helps.

billman

[KL Kevin]

Re: turret time delay

Bill's ideas are good, I'd take a hard look at the torsion latch and the face on the TD gear that blocks it.

Also, check that the clutch plate itself, and the facings, are not bent/wavy. Sometimes, if you tighten the rivets too much putting on new facings, it will distort the plate and not give positive drive, even with new facings. If the facings are not flush with the plate all the way around, Try a new or different plate. While you're there, take a look at the teeth on the clutch plate and TD gear, burrs and/or crap in there can cause this problem too.

Hope something here helps:

Kevin

Re: turret time delay

just had one doing this a few days ago and found the rivets on the slide plate that hold the plate and that tube? to the plate were broke loose causing my problem.

[GRAMBO]

Re: turret time delay

I agree with the other responses in checking on how the friction disc pads are and check the top pulley for excessive grooves.
Another think to check is the clutch slide plate.
The older ones have the bearing housing riveted to the slide plate.
These can come losse and put the friction disc at a bad angle.
You can weld the plate but just make sure to do it so no weld interferes with the holes for the roll pins and will not rub the clutch plate guides.
Hope this helps.
Oh, I almost forgot.
Be sure and oil the time delay gear bushings and the large bushing for the friction disc before you re-install.

[jim]

Re: turret time delay

I been telling people for years that loose old style sliding plates cause lots of turret problems,and they all sorta blew me off told em to weld them.Why does all the new Brunswick ones come already welded?...Take a hint new age new ideas work.well good luck and more people otta listen to us old veterans on our experiences.....

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[brunswickmech]

Re: turret time delay

ON THE OLD GREEN MONSTERS THE TURRET CLUTCH SLIDE PLATE WAS ALWAYS WELDED NOT
RIVETED.THE MOST USUAL FAILURE FOR THIS
STYLE PLATE IS THE TORSION LATCH PIN BRACKET
AS IT IS WELDED TO THE PLATE INSTEAD OF THE
NEWER STYLE BOLT ON PIN. SOMETIMES THIS BRACKET WILL BEND UPWARDS OR DOWNWARDS WHICH
ALLOWS THE TORSION LATCH TO RUB THE TIME DELAY GEAR EITHER AT THE BASE OF THE LATCH
ON THE TEETH OR THE UNDERSIDE OF THE GEAR.HOPE THIS IS HELPFUL.

[PJ]

Re: turret time delay

Quote:]Originally posted by blackout:
Howdy boys! After the 5 pin drops through the center chute the delay doesnt always work.,the gear wont rotate.The trip arm is ok,belts and tension good but every so often you have to trip the index trip lever by hand (and maybe a few times to get it going)then the delay gear wakes up and runs fine for 3 days to a week.Its an otis style (green machine)if that helps but all else is ok be it facings etc.Sometimes the guys way over tighten the long turret belt and then it just doesnt work so i have to put it back to its running adjustment.so you brainy acts(lol)whats up wth it?Hmmm?go ahead tell me...lol.Show me what ya got.(lmao..been a long day)
[/QUOTE]Check the the long link, the rubber spacer might be missing! PJ



[This message has been edited by PJ (edited 05-04-2000).]

[Ken Smoltz]

Re: turret time delay

Check the roll pins on the spring retainer. They may have been pushed up, into the friction disk, dragging slightly on the bushing.

KS