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    Hello again all! At my center we had problems with pins riding on the ball sometimes at the lift rod and catching at the Y switch, or sometimes making it down the accelerator [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] especially on the even machines (short track) not due to pins overshooting the turnpan but riding up on the ball. Anyhow, we recently installed pin deflector cords on all our even nubered machines and they work absolutly great (watched em in action a few times [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] ) however I have a couple of concerns I wanted to share with you guys and see what you thaught. One problem I seem to be having is the clip for the cord at the elevator frame likes to pop off at either the top or the bottom and grinds against the ballwheel (no damage done though) so I installed a plastic wire tie on the clip right at the elevator frame to keep the clip from spreading and coming off, did this tonight, hopefully it will work. Have any of you run into this problem and how did you solve it? The other thing was the hook on the bungee cord at the elevator clip rubs against the balls as they ride up the lift, dosen't seem to hurt the ball as the hooks are plastic coated, but I for the life of me cannot see any way of eliminating this problem exept for removing the hook and attaching it some other way to the clip. I looked at the past posts concerning these cords but did not find any specific information. If anyone has any tips on these cords I would really appriciate it. Pix would be even better. Wish I had a digital camera so I could show y'all what I'm talking about. Maybe I'll just go buy one [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] Thanx guys!

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    Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

    Just finished installing the cords and hooks on all our machines.....I used a little longer cord than what is offered in the Brunswick book....it works fine AND doesn't have as much tension when a pin contacts and flips over it....which probably heads off the spreading of the hook ends that you're talking about, and it definitely eliminates the cord recoil that might cause the hook to pop off the frame. I don't have any that are rubbing the ball as they go up the lift, so I don't know how to go about stopping that. By the way my cord length is 36"....if that helps.
    Mike
    [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif[/img]
    "cursing at a pinsetter near you..."

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    • #3
      Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

      I always take one end off before installing it, loop the bungee through the "coat hanger" hook, and fasten with two wire ties. Stops it from going places, and gets metal away from the ball.

      If I could find them small enough, I'd use a smaller version of a hog ring. Tried pig rings, they're too big. Saw a kit in a catalog somewhere, but wasn't looking for them at the time, you know how that goes.

      As far as mounting the clip goes, it needs to go over the FRONT of the frame also, if you get it only over the rear of the frame, it will rub on the wheel (usually pinwheel). Clip it over the rear of the frame, then work one end over the front, then the other. That will stop it from rubbing on everything:

      Kevin

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      • #4
        Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

        we "close" the end of our bungee cords with a pair of pliers gets that hook away from the ball and prevents it from coming off.

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        • #5
          Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

          Uploaded two pix to my site for you:

          Wire tie (with knot tied in bungee) at: <a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/WIRETIE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/WIRETIE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/WIRETIE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/WIRETIE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/WIRETIE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/WIRETIE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/WIRETIE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/WIRETIE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/WIRETIE.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/WIRETIE.jpg</a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a>

          View looking up from pit idlers showing location of hook at:
          <a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/CLIPON.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/CLIPON.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/CLIPON.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/CLIPON.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/CLIPON.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/CLIPON.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/CLIPON.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/CLIPON.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/CLIPON.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/CLIPON.jpg</a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a>

          And yes, it is time for us to do backs again, they're lookin a little gamey, break out the rags and cleaner in may [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

          BTW, You should leave SOME e-mail address (get one here if you're worried about spam) so I could have sent it directly:

          Kevin

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          • #6
            Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

            Thanks for the replies! My mind is a bit more at ease about this whole thing. Guess I got it right. The wire ties I put on there helped big time [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
            Kevin, I got the email thing worked out so you can email if need be, and thanks for the pix! I hear what your saying about the spring cleaning. Even if I had a digital camera I would be embarassed to take a pic since I got a lot of cleaning to do also [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif[/img] I haven't been the same since looking at the pix of Masternut's machines [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] got a major complex about dirt now.

            [ March 28, 2001: Message edited by: A2 Guy ]

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            • #7
              Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

              You say that when the clip comes off, it grinds against the ball wheel. Sounds like you have it on backwards...when it comes off, it should rub against the pin wheel. The clip should be between the frame and the pin wheel. Hope this helps.
              TSM & TSM Training Development
              Main Event Entertainment
              480-620-6758 for help or information

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              • #8
                Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

                Quote:]Originally posted by KL Kevin:
                As far as mounting the clip goes, it needs to go over the FRONT of the frame also, if you get it only over the rear of the frame, it will rub on the wheel (usually pinwheel). Clip it over the rear of the frame, then work one end over the front, then the other. That will stop it from rubbing on everything:

                Kevin
                [/QUOTE]

                Alright, I'm starting to understand. This confused me a little (not hard to do) and upon closer inspections of the pix I will try this method tomarrow. Your right, I do have it between the B.W. and frame, it works, but thaught something just wasn't right. Now, don't get the impression that I'm a dumbshyt [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] , but this house has never had deflector cords so this is new to me. Ahhhh, learn something new all the time. Thanks again. (This forum has helped me big time)

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                • #9
                  Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

                  Well, some of us are thankful for email paranoia... so we can ~all~ see the pics that way [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] Quick question... (since I'm not familiar with this mod) ...where's the other end of the cord go?
                  Oldsmagnet -- Sidney MT

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

                    Olds, the cord runs through a eye bolt behind the clapper box area and the other end of the cord hooks to a hole to the left of the clapper box(looking at the rear of the machine). At least I got that part correct....I hope. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

                      When we installed the lower cords we had the same problems with the hooks...I removed them and installed an "all thread" coupling and a 1/2-13 eyebolt on the ball wheel guard bracket...Run the cord between the frame and ball wheel and hook to eye bolt.No problems.
                      Just one way to go,for thoses who don't have hooks.

                      Later
                      Peanut
                      Peanut

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

                        There's also an eye bolt in the back plate it goes through:

                        Bungee hook is blue, at bottom of pic, eye bolt next to clapper block, on right, should be easy to pick out
                        <a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/BUNGEE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/BUNGEE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/BUNGEE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/BUNGEE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/BUNGEE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/BUNGEE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/BUNGEE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/BUNGEE.jpg" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/BUNGEE.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.catskill.net/kiamesha/setter/BUNGEE.jpg</a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a>

                        Kevin

                        [ March 28, 2001: Message edited by: KL Kevin ]

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

                          I TOO JUST PUT THE CORDS ON MY MACHINES. THEY ARE WORKING GREAT AND THE BALL CALLS AND PINS THAT FLOP IN TO THE CURTAIN ARE ALMOST DOWN TO NIL.

                          THE YOUNG MAN THAT WORKS FOR ME PUT THEM ON AND HE ALSO BENT THE ENDS OVER SO THEY DONT COME OFF.

                          JEFF KUHNLE
                          TWIN OAKS LANES
                          TOLEDO OHIO
                          WE ARE NOW REALLY TWIN OAKS LANES.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pin deflector cord question (long winded)

                            1 thing i did on one machine was we were out of hooks when we were putting them on so i stuck the one end of the cord between the ball wheel and frame (like masternut suggests) then i just hooked it to the plate on the frame that the hook/coat hanger goes around. it had no problem at all of coming off unlike the rest that had hooks. we eventually squeezed the end of the cord like suggested earlier and that took care of the other lanes. and my one cord i hooked to the frame is still like that year and a half later and not one problem from it and no metal to worry about since the end of the cord is on the other side of the frame. hey jbees is the cord on 14 still like that or did you finally change it? ( he didnt like the idea) [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

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