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    Here is one we can not solve. We have been going through the decks cleaning them up and stripping off the pin finders and whatever they need. On #6 after we get it all put back together, at zero degrees, we hit the reset and the moving deck, immediately upon the machine starting the cycle, moves about an inch and is out of time the rest of the cycle. When we first encountered this, we put another deck on #6 and the same problem happens. The geneva rollers are confirmed installed correct. The head mechanic thinks that the spring needs another "turn" I believe he said. What do you all suggest we try? Many thanks for reading the post. We have gotten alot of good help from you guys.

    [ July 28, 2001: Message edited by: Howard ]

    [ July 28, 2001: Message edited by: Howard ]

    [ July 28, 2001: Message edited by: Howard ]
    Howard

  • #2
    Re: deck problem

    I think you are saying that the moving deck is floating. Sounds like your moving deck may be a bit tight. Try loosening it a bit.

    Hope that solves your deck troubles..

    Joey

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    • #3
      Re: deck problem

      oops!!! I screwed up the last post. I meant to say that your moving deck CABLE is tight. Sorry for the mistake.

      Joey

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      • #4
        Re: deck problem

        Thanks Joe for the reply. According to the mechanic, the moving deck cable has been adjusted to the extream that it is very loose.

        Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you.
        Howard

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        • #5
          Re: deck problem

          is your machine actually at zero? that's the first thing i would check. if so, i would check the keyways on the 1 to 1 shaft. it has to do with something on the timing of the machine. as for another turn of the spring, i ass-u-me you're reffering to the large torsion spring on the rear side of the moving deck. that spring is only suppose to be turned about 3/4 of a turn when the machine is at 270(or so i've always been told. i know that was covered in another thread but that was a long time ago and i haven't been able to find it since). those are the first things i would check. good luck

          alex
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          • #6
            Re: deck problem

            I would make sure the Torsion spring is wound properly....with the deck at 270 and geneva plates off wind the spring One and a half turns only.Wind it towards the Approach .Put the Plates back on and route the cable around the rear pulley properly and your problem should go away.Since everything worked properly before deck was worked on Id assume this is the problem...Good Luck [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]

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            • #7
              Re: deck problem

              Quote:]Originally posted by Howard:
              Thanks Joe for the reply. According to the mechanic, the moving deck cable has been adjusted to the extream that it is very loose.

              Any suggestions are appreciated. Thank you.
              [/QUOTE]
              UNLESS I'M THINKING ASS BACKWARDS, THE LOOSER THE MOVING DECK CABLE IS THE LATER THE DECK IS GOING TO SHIFT AT ANY POINT, BUT WHAT DO I know I'M just a amf mechanic that hasen't worked on brunswick machines for about 8 years [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] I could be confused please correct me if I'M wrong [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] CRUD
              if things aren't going right just use a bigger hammer! DIRT

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              • #8
                Re: deck problem

                Hmmm....

                Did you leave the deck cables on the pulleys when you took the deck out?? If so, I doubt that the spring tewnsion is the problem. For more on winding the spring, see:
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                As a quick check on the timing of the machine's sub-assemblies, cycle machine to 90 degrees exactly, first ball, strike. At that point, the following should be true:

                Rake crank should be aligned the same as if at 0:
                Slash mark on MD/Scissor cam should run through center of scissor cam bearing.
                Deck should be on lowering hook, at lowest point, turning gearbox either direction, deck should start to move upward.
                Strike cam follower in low dwell of cam.

                If the slash mark isn't in the right place, 1/1 timing or key problem most likely culprit. If machine stops slightly below 0 (e.g. 350 or so), I've seen the deck twitch forward slightly, but never an inch or so ...

                Kevin

                Kevin

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                • #9
                  Re: deck problem

                  Thanks to everyone that helped. The problem turned out to be the key came out in the dual pulley that the cables ride on on the deck. You know, the pulley that is on the same deck arm that the deck holding hook mates with.

                  Thanks for all the thought generating help!
                  Howard

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