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  • automatic pinsetter motor shut off timer

    anybody still have the timers on their A-2s that shut the motor off after so many seconds of no activity? Ours have been removed/disabled I would guess because they were a problem. Just wondered if anyone still used them. Thanks.
    Howard

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    Re: automatic pinsetter motor shut off timer

    Bowltronics makes a version that is far better than the original Brunswick setup. I am installing them 1 each month. Best thing I've done for my machines... if you can get your old ones to work again, I would do it...but buying the newer ones would probably be better for you.
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      Re: automatic pinsetter motor shut off timer

      I'm an industrial mecanics since 4 years now and I have worked on every brunswick (A, A-2 and GS series) pinsetters and according to my experiance, 2 reasons is against of a shut off time delay on a A or A2 pinsetters

      1st : the motor used on a A-2 pinsetter is a single phase motor ... they use a centrifugal switch and capacitors to fix the motor's rotation
      they are not desinged to start and stop more then 2 po 3 times by hour ....a GS motor use 3 phase induction motor : the rotation is fixed by the waves on the 3 wires

      2nd : the pin light and the masking unit 1st, 2nd and strike light is pluged on the main motor contactor....

      any way it's a good idea if your pinsetters is on a 3 phase 208 vac

      vickers

      3 drop of oil is better then 3 1:1 cam used

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        Re: automatic pinsetter motor shut off timer

        vickers...my experience shows that with the proper timing on the shut down kit...the motor doesn't shut off but maybe 3 to 4 times per hour depending on the pace of the bowlers. My shut down kits prevent the motor from starting until someone throws a ball when the lane is first given out...then shuts down the motor when the bowlers are done. This can save as much as 15 minutes of wear and tear each time the lane is given out...and the motor shut down kit does not turn off the contactor...it breaks the line after the contactor but before the motor. The goal is not to cycle the motor on/off...it is to shut it down when it is not needed.
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        • #5
          Re: automatic pinsetter motor shut off timer

          Thats a good point, JBEES, about the intention of only cutting down the pinsetter's wait time for start up and shut down. Long ago, I know of a house that used these, but took them out due to too many pin jams in pan or conveyor, because the pins were being stopped too many times in "awkward" placements. They probably had the thing set too quick, so they could see it work, otherwise it wouldn't seem to do anything.

          Whats the time span that you can set these for? I assume its adjustable? What's the approximate cost of these kits? I would think they would pay for themselves in a year or so. Have you noticed any "premature" failure of your 1 hp motors?

          Vickers: Wow, I didn't realize the GS machines use 3 phase motors! Is that for electrical efficiency purposes? How many motors are on GS? What size?

          Thanks for the info.

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            Re: automatic pinsetter motor shut off timer

            I have had the Bowltronics devices on for about a year. To quote Jebees "Best thing I have done for my pinsetters" I have mine set at 2 miniutes, this allows plenty of time for pins to get into the turret. No motor failures. And belts, bearings and clutches will last much long. And no more whining short turret belts!!

            billman
            let me be myself

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            • #7
              Re: automatic pinsetter motor shut off timer

              If anyone is interested, a company in Europe markets a 3 phase conversion for A, A2 and Dacos pinsetters which gives the machine much more versatility, of course you have to change the motor and also rip out ALL the control box electrics and fit a PC board to control everything. They are on <a href="http://www.bmsbowling.ch." target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bmsbowling.ch." target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bmsbowling.ch." target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bmsbowling.ch." target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bmsbowling.ch." target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bmsbowling.ch." target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bmsbowling.ch." target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bmsbowling.ch." target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bmsbowling.ch." target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bmsbowling.ch." target="_blank">http://www.bmsbowling.ch.</a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a> Please note, I do NOT work for this company, but I have seen their stuff when I work in Europe.

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              • #8
                Re: automatic pinsetter motor shut off timer

                The one I buy from Bowltronics is the PS-1 "kit". It is different from the PS-1. It is hidden inside the electrical box. They won't sell them to you unless you have bought them before due to too many guys installing them wrong and burning them up...I suppose you could talk with him and convince him you can install them without trashing them if you are comfortable working inside your electrical box. Not everybody is comfortable working inside the electrical box. The kit is about $100 and change...the regular PS-1 is around $150 if I remember correctly. I have my delay turned all the way to max, and I get right about 2 minutes like Billman stated. I have seen NO motor failures while using this device.
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