double pins from pin wheel

[BradleyM]

Didn't know how to really title this but for some reason one of my machines pin wheels will feed 2 pins back to back on the distributor within 2 inches of each other and it causes a extra pin in the cup, it's also always on the 5 cup. I thought is was from a slippery belt but I changed it and watched it and seen it was the pin wheel. Any ideas on how to stop this?

[8270king]

Is the distributor indexing?

Of is the orientation from the wheel ot the orientor pan poor?

[BradleyM]

It is indexing, I can't really explain how it is doing it. I will take a video and put it up on here.

[BradleyM]

Here is the video. Its not indexing, the pin just slides off the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=illFsf9o9yU&feature=youtu.be

[Ken-Cliff Lanes]

It's double-feeding the 5. Check the distributor head leveling (which is done at the 5). If you have the service manual, look at 5.027 for instructions.

[8270king]

You also need to make sure there is not interference with the top of the cups or respot cells

Easiest way to level the head for me
1. With pins on the deck run the table down on top of the pins
2. Loosen head level jam nuts
3. Change head angle
4. Run distributor around by indexing lever with a pin fork handle

If the head has interference with the cups / respot cells - you need to more shims under the distributor track

[toon30s]

It doesn't look like a head level issue to me. It looks like you have brand new pins. Are they real slick? Some new pins have a mold release agent on them and they need to have this release agent cleaned off. Also make sure your toggles are moving down as far as possible when they drop pins out of the pinwheel.

[willey]

The pin is sliding down the Belt because it is either slippery or the Belt has limited grip.

Frank

[willey]

On the second look you can actually see the problem pin catch up to the pin in front, and it will only happen when the Table is down.

Frank

[BillyT4QAMF]

Looks to me like the distributor is too far advanced. In other words, when at the 5 pin, the backup bearing is more on the 7 side that the 10 side. When the 9 pin is being fed, it is catching the base of the pin on the distributor track, holding up the distributor slightly, allowing the 5 pin to arrive at the distributor flipper before the distributor has arrived at the 5 pin.

[Jfitz]

I agree the distributor is a little to far advanced, but I don't believe it is causing the doubling of the 5 pin. I would say its a head leveling issue

[BradleyM]

I always run our distributor one or two teeth toward the 7 cup. I have less jams and miss feeds that way. The dist. is level it's still happening. The pins are 1 year old, new belt. Whats the best stuff to keep the pins clean?

[toon30s]

I use a product from Sam's club called Heavy Duty Degreaser, diluted with water about 3 to 1. Anything will work such as lane cleaner, etc. Still thinking your belt is not gripping the pins allowing them to slide together when the table is down.

[Tablejam]

It looks to me like when the 5 comes out of the elevator it is coming out fast (table down) and getting too close to the pin in front of it, not allowing the distributor to get to the 5 cup in enough time. Does this only happen when the table is down? If you keep your eye on the pin counter lever as each pin goes through it, you will notice that the 5 pin goes through it very fast as compared to the other pins, possibly due to slick/new pins or a grip issue with the distributor belt and you can see as you follow that pin it hauls ass up the distributor.

[BillyT4QAMF]

Pins can definately slide on the distributor belt when the table is down. Head level doesn't look like the problem because the pin drops past the flippers before the distributor has reached the 5 cup position.

If that is a ploy-v belt, don't use heavy duty cleaners on it as they will break down the surface of the belt. Your not cleaning a ring tube after all.